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		<title>By: 316 million Indian workers get below $ 0.49 (Rs. 20) a day &#171; A Zillion reasons to escape from India</title>
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		<dc:creator>316 million Indian workers get below $ 0.49 (Rs. 20) a day &#171; A Zillion reasons to escape from India</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 11:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Random thoughts on 60 years of independence &#171; LeftyProf</title>
		<link>http://leftyprof.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/india-shining-indeed/#comment-48</link>
		<dc:creator>Random thoughts on 60 years of independence &#171; LeftyProf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Renegade Eye</title>
		<link>http://leftyprof.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/india-shining-indeed/#comment-47</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good post.

The Maoists portray India as semi-feudal because they are limited by the Stalinist theory of two stage revolution.  If they accept India is capitalist, they would logically have to be for workers power and socialism.  Instead they would be happy working in a capitalist first stage government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good post.</p>
<p>The Maoists portray India as semi-feudal because they are limited by the Stalinist theory of two stage revolution.  If they accept India is capitalist, they would logically have to be for workers power and socialism.  Instead they would be happy working in a capitalist first stage government.</p>
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		<title>By: therealpotato</title>
		<link>http://leftyprof.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/india-shining-indeed/#comment-46</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 19:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:-P  That&#039;s why you&#039;re my editor.

&lt;i&gt;It really feels like we’ve gone past the point of no return, which is why it the consumer politics-oriented arguments make so little sense.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah.  I identify with that feeling, although I think we have a responsibility to do everything we possibly can to at least mitigate the damage. Which is why I personally cringe every time I see Live 8 or some other stupid Celebrity Bullshit Against Global Warming event... that sort of thing is just beyond pointless.

The floods in India and Bangladesh have now been officially blamed on climate change by the UN, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' />   That&#8217;s why you&#8217;re my editor.</p>
<p><i>It really feels like we’ve gone past the point of no return, which is why it the consumer politics-oriented arguments make so little sense.</i></p>
<p>Yeah.  I identify with that feeling, although I think we have a responsibility to do everything we possibly can to at least mitigate the damage. Which is why I personally cringe every time I see Live 8 or some other stupid Celebrity Bullshit Against Global Warming event&#8230; that sort of thing is just beyond pointless.</p>
<p>The floods in India and Bangladesh have now been officially blamed on climate change by the UN, by the way.</p>
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		<title>By: leftyprof</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 18:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for all the comments, folks (and that includes you, Pooj!!) :)

Naveen: Yes, &quot;India Shining&quot; was the BJP&#039;s election-year campaign slogan. It has since become the prevailing commonsense, especially among the urban middle classes.

Therealpotato: I think I agree with what you are saying, despite the double negative! :) On the global warming question I tend to feel a lot more pessimistic than I do on any other issue. It really feels like we&#039;ve gone past the point of no return, which is why the consumer politics-oriented arguments make so little sense.

Preya: Sometimes the liberal strongholds are precisely the ones that are most closed off to radical points of view, no?

In the final analysis, of course, it isn&#039;t so much a question of what we write in these blogs, or even what we teach in our classrooms. The material realities of people&#039;s lives have as much, if not more, of an impact on what they think. (Pooja--that&#039;s true of your situation too, although I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll stick your tongue out at me for this as well!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments, folks (and that includes you, Pooj!!) <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Naveen: Yes, &#8220;India Shining&#8221; was the BJP&#8217;s election-year campaign slogan. It has since become the prevailing commonsense, especially among the urban middle classes.</p>
<p>Therealpotato: I think I agree with what you are saying, despite the double negative! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  On the global warming question I tend to feel a lot more pessimistic than I do on any other issue. It really feels like we&#8217;ve gone past the point of no return, which is why the consumer politics-oriented arguments make so little sense.</p>
<p>Preya: Sometimes the liberal strongholds are precisely the ones that are most closed off to radical points of view, no?</p>
<p>In the final analysis, of course, it isn&#8217;t so much a question of what we write in these blogs, or even what we teach in our classrooms. The material realities of people&#8217;s lives have as much, if not more, of an impact on what they think. (Pooja&#8211;that&#8217;s true of your situation too, although I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll stick your tongue out at me for this as well!)</p>
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		<title>By: Preya</title>
		<link>http://leftyprof.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/india-shining-indeed/#comment-44</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And then there is the active production of apathy by the ideological warriors of the system. To come to your example, it isn’t an idea that your students, for instance, have arrived at on their own; the notion that global warming is “overhyped” is an argument that naysayers are propagating in order to scuttle the arguments that our side is putting forward.

Showing our students the lineage of their own ideas is a useful way of going about our work.&lt;/i&gt;

This is an important point.  I happen to teach in a place Bill O&#039;Reilly calls a &quot;liberal progressive stronghold,&quot; so, in reality, I have the advantage of dealing with kids who, out of habit, say, &quot;Can I recycle this piece of paper,&quot; rather than, &quot;Can I throw away this piece of paper.&quot;  I just worry about the kids who don&#039; live here and don&#039;t have the advantages that my kids have.  In any case, your post is about India, and the figures you mention are stunning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And then there is the active production of apathy by the ideological warriors of the system. To come to your example, it isn’t an idea that your students, for instance, have arrived at on their own; the notion that global warming is “overhyped” is an argument that naysayers are propagating in order to scuttle the arguments that our side is putting forward.</p>
<p>Showing our students the lineage of their own ideas is a useful way of going about our work.</i></p>
<p>This is an important point.  I happen to teach in a place Bill O&#8217;Reilly calls a &#8220;liberal progressive stronghold,&#8221; so, in reality, I have the advantage of dealing with kids who, out of habit, say, &#8220;Can I recycle this piece of paper,&#8221; rather than, &#8220;Can I throw away this piece of paper.&#8221;  I just worry about the kids who don&#8217; live here and don&#8217;t have the advantages that my kids have.  In any case, your post is about India, and the figures you mention are stunning.</p>
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		<title>By: Naveen</title>
		<link>http://leftyprof.wordpress.com/2007/08/09/india-shining-indeed/#comment-43</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the numbers like this: 836 million earn less than Rs.20 a day, which is the general population. (I find this unbelievable too, and if true means the scale of poverty is much deeper than I understood!) Those defined as &quot;workers&quot; are around 450 million of which some 400 million are in the unorganized sector and 79% of those (320 million) earn less than Rs.20 a day.  I think they don&#039;t count farmers as part of the organized or unorganized sectors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the numbers like this: 836 million earn less than Rs.20 a day, which is the general population. (I find this unbelievable too, and if true means the scale of poverty is much deeper than I understood!) Those defined as &#8220;workers&#8221; are around 450 million of which some 400 million are in the unorganized sector and 79% of those (320 million) earn less than Rs.20 a day.  I think they don&#8217;t count farmers as part of the organized or unorganized sectors.</p>
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		<title>By: Naveen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 14:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wasn&#039;t &quot;India Shining&quot; the slogan of the BJP in 2004? I read an article a while ago that talked about how the BJP spent crores upon crores to foster this image through campaign ads etc.  Obviously it was a way to distract the Indian middle-class from the images of Gujarat pogroms that had come to define BJP rule.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wasn&#8217;t &#8220;India Shining&#8221; the slogan of the BJP in 2004? I read an article a while ago that talked about how the BJP spent crores upon crores to foster this image through campaign ads etc.  Obviously it was a way to distract the Indian middle-class from the images of Gujarat pogroms that had come to define BJP rule.</p>
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